Talk:Weapons/Archive 1

weapon categories
SEI 21:25, 14 May 2012 (MDT) - I have added categories to some of the weapons that didnt have any. I found 'the missing ones' by visiting Special:UncategorizedPages - Btw: You guys are doing a very good job in this section!

information & images
Grezvany13 01:50, 15 May 2012 (MDT) - I found this greate site which has (almost) all data for weapons, vehicles and items for ARMA2 and AO (==CO => DayZ). We should be able to pull some stuff from here, including images (since the current ones I uploaded are not that perfect). http://browser.six-projects.net/
 * SEI 02:03, 15 May 2012 (MDT) - What a nice find! - Its png with transparency - couldnt be better!

comparable table instead of listing
To be honest, I don't like the current weapons page. Before we had a nice list with all weapons categorized under weapon type (rifle, shotgun, etc). The table now is IMHO harder to use and shows too much information. Maybe we should return the old list and create a subpage with the compare table (eg. Weapons/Compare) - Grezvany13 07:42, 21 May 2012 (MDT)


 * I knew the extra page(s) with detailed weapon information would cause updating errors, as some only update the detailed weapon page, some the weapons page with the details, and maybe some the "Comparison_of_Weapons" page. As errors are HARD (read: very hard) to track down then we have to find a solution for this. One error (as example) is if i look on the 3 pages containing detailed info about the L85A2_RIS_CWS there the info is not identical (Rate of fire). My suggestion is to revert back to the previous layout of the Weapons page, and from there make a link to "Comparison_of_Weapons" and ON the comparison page put a 'note' saying when it was last updated for accuracy. - Doing the above makes so we ONLY have one page with details about a weapon (preferred). About keeping "Comparison_of_Weapons" up to date it must maybe be the author who frequently scan it and update it. - I very much see the use of the Comparison_of_Weapons page, so we shouldnt just remove it!!!. SIDENOTE: I will research ways to keep data at one point and autoupdate other pages... thingy - Cheers sEi (Talk) 08:14, 21 May 2012 (MDT )


 * I think i agree,
 * The new table also has a huge number of inaccuracies which ive been trying to fix over the last couple of days.
 * Still not finished, some data that is bugging me greatly as it has clearly been put in wrong.
 * sEI i think you can decide what you want the wiki to look like as its your baby, i just add the info (posted by Dronin)


 * I am not to decide anything major without the community's consense. I am working on a solution to the 'problem' and will repeat: The wiki needs some sort of weapon comparing page/function something...! So the solution is NOT just to delete the great work from the author of the table! - Cheers sEi (Talk) 11:50, 21 May 2012 (MDT)


 * Sidenote about "wiki baby" - I have just decided to help this wiki especially in the seeding period (the birth of a wiki, and we are still in the seeding phase but nearly done) and the seeding needs to be heavily monitored and structured to build a solid base for the wiki to grow. sEi (Talk) 12:00, 21 May 2012 (MDT)


 * Ive left the table but added catagories as a compromise from the old to the new, i hope this will help everyone and make it easier to find the data required! - Dronin 19:05 (BST)


 * Everyday i see people edit either a weapons page detail OR a detail in the comparison table. So EITHER: The comparison table has to go OR the details on a weapons page has to go. (I support the first) - If nobody come up with any other suggestion i will shortly just remove the comparison table. (added by sEi)


 * I suggest to remove the tables at the weapons page and use the comparison page to compare stuff ;) The regular weapons page should contain a small introduction to weapons, a list of weapon types (pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc) including a small intro and a list of the weapons under that type (like categories). For comparing the weapons we should create one large table (all weapons) and several small ones (per type) as subpages. This is the most useful and logic way to handle this problem. - Grezvany13 05:52, 24 May 2012 (MDT) (PS SEi, you forgot the ~ ;))


 * Yes - But how do we ensure that the 'whatever' comparison table is kept up to date with the specific weapon page? - People either edit the specific weapon page OR the comparison table, seldom both! hmm? - sEi (Talk) 07:11, 24 May 2012 (MDT)


 * I guess we need to look at something as [] and [], which will enable re-useable data over multiple pages. I'll try it out and report if it works or not. - Grezvany13 07:31, 24 May 2012 (MDT)


 * OK, I've tested [Extension:Data] and it works like a charm! With this extension we only need to add the required info at a "data block" which can be used from anywhere. It can even search for all items with a certain key-value combination (eg. type = shotgun ) and return a list or table! We really should use this, although there is a small bug with the latest version of MediaWiki (depreciated function), but can be fixed easily. - Grezvany13 07:50, 24 May 2012 (MDT)


 * I'll say go go go - Lets get this thing rolling ,) (having sleepless nights about the weaponpage) - Just shout if you need any help to implement it, its a BIG task! - again good work. - sEi (Talk) 11:20, 24 May 2012 (MDT)


 * I would have edited the clickthrough pages too but ive been so busy recently with our server and real life info that i havent had the time to fix minor issues and mistakes. best of luck on the extension project! Dronin


 * SOLVED - sEi (Talk) 08:58, 26 May 2012 (MDT)

"Some sniper rifles" = backpack slot???
I cant recall a single sniper rifle thats carried in the backpack slot! Can somebody validate that? Else we should remove that. - VariousArtist 07:23, 23 May 2012 (MDT)
 * I know that some weapons (sniper rifles, LMG's, AT's) in ARMA 2/OA/CBA require both the primairy weapons slot and the backback slot for be carried. When I get home I'll check it in-game to be sure. - Grezvany13 07:37, 23 May 2012 (MDT)
 * Hm, Ive never encountered that in the past years. Sur you dont mix it up with the old Arma2 models that cant carry a backpack, or the med-classes, that have a blocked backpack slot? - VariousArtist 07:48, 23 May 2012 (MDT)


 * only the two 50 cal snipers take up backpack slot, and i can confrim this is true in dayz Dronin


 * SOLVED - sEi (Talk) 10:55, 25 May 2012 (MDT)

New way of adding weapon data
At the moment we have a new extension which enables us to add data once and use it all over the wiki. Therefor I would like to ask everyone to use this method when creating new weapons and to edit the current ones according to this method.

To use it, use the following code at the weapon page:

data_type=weapon weapon_type=sidearmx name=Makarov PMx img= rarity=Very Common ammo_type=Makarov Mag mag_type=9x18 Ball, 9x18 SD mag_size=8 shots_power=Very Low shots_body=3-4 shots_head=1 range=50m zeroing=N/A rof=Fast recoil=Moderate noise=Low/Moderate location=Everywhere attachment=N/A alternates=N/A

The regular text for this page Please DO NOT modify the bottom part, unless the template changes.

You can check Mod:Makarov PM and Mod:Revolver to see that it works. When all weapons are edited, the Weapons page will be modified to create an automated list based on the data. -- Grezvany13 08:41, 26 May 2012 (MDT)

NOTE: That after applying the new template the 'saved' page doesnt show the data - The cache needs to be purged for that page: Add "&action=purge" to the end of the page's dynamic URL once. (If you do not puge the cache then it will automatic purge after several minuttes!

E.g.: http://dayzwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=PDW&action=purge

sEi (Talk) 11:19, 27 May 2012 (MDT)


 * ALL SIDEARMS IMPLEMENTED - sEi (Talk) 11:45, 27 May 2012 (MDT)
 * ALL SHOTGUNS IMPLEMENTED - sEi (Talk) 14:26, 27 May 2012 (MDT)
 * ALL SMGS IMPLEMENTED - eikoms 5:41pm, 27 May 2012 (EST)
 * ALL SNIPER RIFLES IMPLEMENTED - sEi (Talk) 16:53, 27 May 2012 (MDT)
 * ALL (was many) ROCKET LAUNCHERS IMPLEMENTED - sEi (Talk) 08:23, 28 May 2012 (MDT)
 * ALL WEAPONS IMPLEMENTED - sEi (Talk) 11:28, 29 May 2012 (MDT)

New page design
below you see a new proposal for the weapons page, based on the russian wiki, with shortcuts, links and categories simplified, that needs to be created shortcuts proper descriptions and categories, but this is the concept, what do you think? Original page on russian wiki--Tales580 (talk) 03:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't like the proposal. The weapons page should show the weapons and not burrow them even deeper in some sub-categories/pages. The design from the russian wiki may look nice, but it is really messy and will be very hard to maintain. The codebase is so complex and confusing, that it's a pain the a** to add/fix/remove things. Sorry, but I'm against it. (It's only my personal opinion). Regards, --RocknRolla7 (talk) 04:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * we could put these subcategories on the main page and one small smybol/table on top of every weaponarticle in form of a template (or on the bottom with links to weapons from the same category (rifle, shotgun etc). the wiki needs a better design with more symbols and stuff.--TheBlackDracula (talk)


 * Of course will be harder to edit, but the hardest part was already, so now it is up to users to put pictures and info, and could also put some tips in the pages so that users could edit, give a good look at the Russian wiki, she is much more developed, and there has subcategories in weapons page, and I not found it hard to find things, I found much easier and detailed, as this allows more images to be added and details in subcategories


 * Subcategory example 1Subcategory example 2:Note the example 2 subcategory have the weapons, with more information and more simplified. Regards--Tales580 (talk) 15:13, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I see no benefit in splitting the weapons in different categories. It just makes it harder to find what you want and removes the overview over all weapons. I totaly agree with both of you that our design is bad. But going for such a messy design/codebase as the russian wiki is imho a bad step. Belive me, it will make our lives A LOT harder. I think we should instead try different design proposals and decide then. And Tales580, it's enough to make your design on your personal page. No need to post it here. It just messes up the discussion page ;). Let's take some time, develope a few designs and see what we end up with. No need to rush :) Regards, --RocknRolla7 (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * This new design agrees with the ideas of rocknrolla, a new design without creating deep pages with more information and more beautiful.--Tales580 (talk) 16:55, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Please don't remove what others have say! And again: Please make the design on your User page! Tales580s design can be found here. Regards, --RocknRolla7 (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Outdated content
The weapons table from mod:weapons is not on the page, the legend from said table doesn't need to be on this page. The image for this page is taken from ArmA 2 and not DayZ Standalone. The line: "Rifles, Submachine guns, Shotguns and most Sniper Rifles will fill the Main weapon slot. These will take 10 slots in the Backpack" does not apply to DayZ Standalone and should be removed. --JeffTheHobo (talk) 15:14, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

-- "The image for this page is taken from ArmA 2 and not DayZ Standalone."

Please replace the example image on the main Weapons page to reflect a stand alone weapon with ammo and not an Arma 2 weapon and ammo. I've taken an in-game shot that you can use below.

Image name: DAYZSA_Weapon_and_Ammo_Clips.png Thanks! ~Gekko

The SKS Isn't a sniper rifle
Guys, the SKS isn't a sniper rifle. If anything, the assault rifle category should be changed to a rifle category and the SKS should be moved there. BobTheJackson (talk) 01:27, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

This is completely correct. The SKS and M4A1 are both assault rifles; please do not let this new wiki become as error-filled as the one for the mod! There is no such thing as a "sniper rifle". Kverulant (talk) 15:27, 20 December 2013

I feel the best change to make would be to rename the Assault Rifles category to just Rifles and move the SKS to Rifles. --JeffTheHobo (talk) 14:23, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Fire Extinguisher
Hey, add the "Fire Extinguisher" to melee weapons category please. Hayden5678 (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Double entry
The entry for the ff axe is doubled.84.152.8.233 11:36, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

add the .357 please
It got added in the game and there's a page for it. Why isn't it here yet? BobTheJackson (talk) 02:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Clearly Define What's "In Game" And Yet To Come
At this point, why is the SKS and Chainsaw even mentioned in this article? I mean, it's been stated that it will, (and we should take that lightly) be in the game eventually, but in my opinion, nothing that is not "In-Game" for a matter of fact, should be in this article. I really think that items or features or ANYTHING that is not in-game (but may be eventually) should be moved to an entirely new page, which would be listed as subcategories and the like. I.E - "Planned Features" links to "Planned Weapons" links to "SKS", and "Planned Features" links to "Planned Clothing" links to "Bunny Costume Or Whatever".

I second this ^^^. Whoever's in charge of this article either needs to make it available to others or step up their game with the editing. BobTheJackson (talk) 02:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Srsly, OP?
Who's got editing permissions? I'm tired of looking at this page's lack of solid Standalone cleanup. Whoever has editing permissions either give them to people who are more active or become more active yourselves. BobTheJackson (talk) 21:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Unecessary edits
Who keeps unecessarly editing this page? There is no reason behind the "updates" people are trying to do as they provide no content. Stop editing the link name of the Mosin-Nagant to Mosin 9130, it's just incorrect. Same thing goes for the grenade launcher sub-section, as the GP-25 and M203 have been confirmed to be added later on and fully detailed, textured models have been available in the game files since day 1.